She is probably very nice but I still don’t like her

Haha. That was a joke, right?

If Coburn can get along with her, anyone can. If you would call her those things, I would have to assume you would call me those things.

Have you been reading the blog? I obviously share many of her positions. You can say our policy differences aren’t your favorites without saying you hate someone or that someone is nice in a “cut-throat, do what I tell you, far left, spread the wealth around, class war instigating, baby killing, Barbara Boxer sort of way.” Because I’d prefer you not say those things about me because we differ on policy. That’s Coburn’s point, and it seems like a pretty easy one to get.

I wonder at the sanity of someone who could possibly defend Beck or Hannity. And Tancredo is despicable and a racist as it seems the governors of Virginia and Mississippi are.

In the context of this post I simply wanted you to recognize that someone you disagree with could be nice. I could care less if you actually insult Pelosi, and you pointed out that I am guilty of the same thing. But you called me a baby killer. That’s different.

And the idea is that if we actually recognize that policy disagreements do not define a person, perhaps it would make the rhetoric less confrontational. And perhaps there wouldn’t be so many death threats.

I just don’t like being called a baby killer, and I think I’ve played very nice (on this comments section).

You should realize by now I would stand with her on most policy issues.

By the way, you could call me a baby defender, or an opponent of baby killing, or perhaps an advocate of protecting babies, I wouldn’t be offended.

You say I kill babies, I say denying wealth to families in need kills babies.

What if I called you a bigot for your stance on gay marriage?

And I think the term is erroneous, that’s the difference. Is it killing a baby if I use a condom, because it has the ability to eventually support itself?

You calling me a baby killer implies I kill babies. If that is true, then you would be justified in taking my life to protect babies. Is that something you advocate?

And the whole terminology of surgery thing is so unrelated it’s silly.

You never answered the question about the Nebraska bill.

The notion of fetal pain? Are you that sick that you consider it a notion? You are out of your mind. You use science to defend every stupid little idea including evolution and climate change, but now that they have proven that a baby feels pain at 20 weeks, you reject that? Why? Is it because admitting that the study is correct would make you feel bad for the millions and millions of babies brutally killed?

Once again I point out that you call people names very frequently. Don’t tell me that I should stop commenting for turning it around on you. If that’s the case then you’re a hypocrite if you continue to post. You should pack up and leave the blog all together if you really believe that there is no place for name calling.

I believe that the war to stop abortion is one to fight in the court rooms and in Congress. Killing doctors or pro-baby murder advocates will not solve anything, and will only make things worse. As long as people are sick enough to not acknowledge the “notion of fetal pain”, there is no hope. That’s a sick statement that sounds like something a Nazi would say to justify murder. I can’t wait to see how mad you get about the Nazi comment, but abortion murders in this country have exceeded Nazi murders in WWII, so the comparison is more than valid.

Who has proven it? I just said the AMA and ACOG don’t accept it. They are the doctors, not me.

Do I call you names? My point was it’s different calling Pelosi or Beck a name than calling me or Dr a name. But if you have to resort to that out of frustration or because you have nothing else to say, I suppose you can go ahead.

If a doctor in Aberdeen was killing 5-year-olds and the state said it was okay, would you try and fight it in the courts while more 5-year-olds were killed?

I hate to break it to you but I don’t spend a lot of time being mad about what you say. I have fun doing the blog. If it was bothering me I would simply quit.

I said it’s an interesting comment because it’s not supporting its own life, which gives credence to the viability argument.

You seem pissed and I’m sorry. That’s sort of the opposite of the goal of this post. The idea was that people can discuss issues with more civility. But I am a baby-killer, so I guess it’s just not possible.

I’m not sure I understand your question. I don’t think they should tell women what to do with their bodies.

Where have I insulted you? I think I’ve called you obtuse but that’s after I’ve been called fat, a baby, insane, told to grow up, etc. etc. I think the worst I’ve done on here is told someone to clean up their spelling or grammar because I don’t feel like working so hard just to figure out what they’re trying to say.

And if someone takes the morning after pill is that really being a baby killer? Really??

And I love how you can call someone a baby killer, but you have no problem with hitting kids and taking away basic rights like health care. You don’t seem to care if they can be provided for once they’re born. I think you’ve got blood on your hands for not wanting people to have health care and voting against it. You can defend a bigot like Tancredo and all the rich fat cats who probably live off their inheritances and don’t do a bloody thing all day, but don’t give a damn about someone who works their butt off to provide for his family. I really don’t think the rest of us needs one of your morality lessons. I think my morals are just find and dandy.

The quote was one that you used because it was convenient in this post to start out with. If Coburn had said exactly the same thing, only replacing Fox News with the New York Times, and instead of defending Pelosi on healthcare, was defending Bush on Iraq, you’d never agree that the people in Washington are good.

You also have a poor history of tolerating the opinions of others. Haven’t you said that Beck should be punished for what he says? Why? Shouldn’t he have the freedom to say what he wants on his show just like you have the freedom to say what you want on this blog?

I originally called Pelosi a baby killer, and can anybody deny that she is a solid pro-abortion advocate? She’s very open about it, it’s not a secret or a rumor. I did not set out to call Adam or anybody but Pelosi and Boxer baby killers, Adam made the link between his views and theirs.

I do believe the morning after pill to be wrong Skye. My question though was about the bill in Nebraska. Adam, you hide behind 2 organizations not recognizing the fact that is fetal pain. Let’s just assume for a minute that the evidence is presented to these two groups and they accept it and admit that a baby feels pain at 20 weeks, would you then support or continue to oppose the bill? Skye, I’d love to hear your answer too.

I do get very irritated about abortion. I’m not trying to come across as mean or anything like that. I can have more laid back discussions about very serious things like taxes, healthcare, wars, gay marriage, nukes, etc…but abortion is to me the single worst thing happening in our nation. I have read and listened to instructions from the physicians books pertaining to abortions, and it is a horrible and cruel procedure that ends a human life. It is something so evil and awful that I can’t begin to comprehend it. My wife and I have had the great joy of 3 pregnancies. The first one went quite well. The second one ended with a miscarriage at about 3 months. The third one is due in about a month. The thing that they all have in common is that from the second I found out we were expecting, I would have died at any moment in a heartbeat for my child. I think the greatest tragedy in our society today is the complete lack of love and concern for our own children. It is stomach turning to see men and women so selfish that they won’t take responsibility for their own actions and raise and take care of and love their children. It’s a horrible tragedy that’s being written off casually as a right. It is being justified by people who would argue that it’s better to kill a baby than to have a baby born without health insurance, that’s a sick way to think.

Skye, I don’t even know what you’re talking about when you say I don’t care about somebody working their butt off to take care of their family. I get the feeling that you must think that I’m wealthy or something like that, if that’s the case then you are way, way off. I work hard, I work overtime almost every week, I provide for my family on a single income, we own one 17 year old car, and a very simple home. I have bills like everyone else, but I’m not waiting for the government to come and pay my way through life. I don’t want to see Obama give me what belongs to somebody else. Don’t give me crap about not caring about people working hard, I’m one of them.

Adam, not to justify what Ray has called you, but didn’t you call the tea party activists a bunch of tea baggers….

To follow up on my question about abortion and government interference. What you are saying is the government should have no say in what a woman does to her body and that it is her decision and hers alone to have an abortion. Ok…so then what’s the difference between the health care bill and abortion. The government should have no role in medical care and medical proceedures…

Speaking of Tea Parties, I missed you at the Aberdeen Tea Party last night….you would have learned a lot. Like a NSU professor saying the GOP is going to pick up 50-75 seats in the house….I hope he is right…

Ray, you’re writing a lot, but I’ll try and respond.

It wasn’t just convenient. If it had been a liberal saying that policy disagreements don’t make someone bad, it still would have been a good point. And I have told many of my friends I think W. would be a great guy to watch a ball game with. You have this concept of my personality that isn’t true.

I’m guessing I was being facetious, but if I was serious it was likely because I was worried his words would lead to violence.

How does being pro-choice make you a baby killer? And my point was I have the exact same stance.

I would like you to at least show me where I can read the evidence.

Congratulations by the way.

The point is people can work hard and still not have enough. And a few people won’t work hard but have children. This is why we need the social programs we have. I’ve thought what Skye has before. Sometimes it seems like certain politicians quite caring about a child or its mother after its born. For instance, the guy in SC that likened school lunch programs for hungry children to feeding stray animals.

Obama has worked for the middle class. They will hopefully be reforming Wall Street soon, which will go a long way to preventing more financial crises. The stimulus worked. Bush absolutely botched the Iraq War for years and years until the surge. Also, Bush’s decision to go to Iraq is why we still have problems in Afghanistan. Bush believed in the right to torture anyone we wanted, regardless of whether or not they were terrorists, several of them were sodomized with objects, and several of them died. This created many more terrorists.

Dr. – They actually chose that language first. What government role in medical care and procedures are you talking about? You went to a tea party? Were there people protesting their tax breaks?

Ray – I thought about that, but it still seems different. I call Beck insane because of the huge number of instances in which he has said something crazy. If you have agreed with everyone one of his conspiracy theories, told me so, then I said you, too are insane, that would be the same as happened here.

But I don’t even care. I thought it was just a great point that we could all learn something from, but the comment thread makes me question if that’s even a possibility.

On one specific policy I have to assume we are, and obviously what we were talking about was policy specific. But I don’t care anymore. Call me a baby killer. I know it’s not true. I just thought Coburn had a good point.

And no, that’s not what I mean by Wall Street reform. I mean the financial reform they are working on passing that will prevent a lot of the dirty stuff that caused the collapse.

Your article was okay but I found a few better ones that don’t have an agenda (http://www.omaha.com/article/20100214/NEWS01/702149910). The jury is obviously still out, but only 1.4% of abortions are performed after that date. Most of them involve the health of the mother, and these cases are exempted by the bill. So I don’t see bill this having much of an impact on how things work.

Congratulations, Ray, on the baby. I think most of the time we can be civil and still disagree. It reminds me of a senior student I know with whom I have political disputes with and he leaves the library with our Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter books which makes me cringe, but he’s one of the nicest kids I know (which tells me that deep down he can’t be the conservative Republican he claims to be.)

And by financial reform, if you are merely repeating Mitch McConnell’s lies, it’s just more of the same from the part of no. Even if the reform prevents government bailouts, Republicans will still vote no.

And I do have to say if we taught better sex education in our schools–teaching kids to use contraceptives and birth control and handed out free condoms, etc. especially in poor neighborhoods, abortion would be less of an issue. Most people do not want to choose abortions; they often feel trapped. Or they may be single and can’t afford to take off work or what if they do not have health insurance. It’s not always so black and white.

Abstinence fails. The research shows that kids start doing stuff at the same time whether or not they are in abstinence-only programs, but those kids are don’t know how to use proper protection. Comprehensive sex education is the way to reduce abortions.

Attentive parents are also key, but they are no guarantee.

But if teens are educated about how to protect themselves it helps, even if they’re going to break the rules.